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Mark J
03-23-2021, 06:00 PM
Mark here. I'm posting this for a friend who's also helping me remotely with my jeep.
He bought "something" that he can't truly identify.
This is the letter he wrote explaining the details. It's long but should help.

I really am at a loss to positively identify it. It seems neither CJ 2
or 3, nor is it a proper M38
The history, as I know it is that it lived it's entire working life
since 1952 as an "Air Police" Jeep at Kanehoe air force
base on the windward side of the Island of Oahu, Hawaii.
It is supposed to be in the same condition, minus a few years in
Hawaii's weather, as it was when it was retired from service.
When the senior Sgt. retired, he was allowed to purchase his beloved
Jeep and take it with him.
I purchased it from his son, when Dad could no longer drive........
I got approximately an entire pick up truck load of spare parts with it
as well.
Lots of carbs, clutches, brake parts, springs, sumps, distributors,
gears, etc........
I think 'ol Sarge was squirreling these away over the years.

When I first saw it, I thought M38 !!
On closer inspection, I became rather confused.
In no particular order, here are the odd aspects. I am sure there are
more.....
1- M-38 style instrument cluster.
2- Large diameter Gas tank filler hole, but small diameter filler neck.
3- Full sized M38 style transmission access cover.
4- Clean passenger side dash, with no evidence of there ever having been
any id plates riveted, or screwed on to it.
5- Basic 6 volt electrics
6- No provision for 2 batteries on passenger side below windscreen.
7- No holes near underseat tool box for id plates.
8- NO ID NUMBERS AT ALL..........anywhere...........There is a 5 digit
number stamped in the top of the frame
member just forward of the firewall on the passenger side. This
does not correspond to anything I can find.
9- Hand brake handle matches nothing I know of in type or position on
the dash.
10- Windscreen. Single piece.

When I talked to Gus Gower about this, he said it was possibly a
"Factory Mule" that was mocked up out of parts to
be a technical, mechanical model for the M38. This would then have been
sent out in to the field and rather than being listed
as a fighting asset, was allocated to the Base MPs for their use.

I've attached a few pictures he sent me.
Also on the body tub inside passenger side, in front of the tool box, is "JIFFY 74297."

Mark J
03-23-2021, 06:03 PM
More photos...

bmorgil
03-23-2021, 06:32 PM
Mark it almost looks like a "Proto-type 3A made out of an M38.

gmwillys
03-23-2021, 08:05 PM
I think I might have an answer. It looks like a CJ V35. Made in 1950, with 1,000 units made.

http://www.ewillys.com/tag/cj-v35u/

5JeepsAz
03-23-2021, 08:44 PM
http://www.cj3a.info/v35/

bmorgil
03-24-2021, 06:57 AM
Oh man is that a rare bird!

TJones
03-24-2021, 07:41 AM
It is a rare bird, Great Job GM & AZ learn something new everyday!!!!

gmwillys
03-24-2021, 09:37 AM
After further review, I'm not so sure that MarkJs friend's example isn't exactly like the V-35. The military dash panel and the fuel tank opening in the body do not jive with the examples seen for the V-35. I think that he might very well be correct that the example shown is a pre-production M38. Of course, the is no information to back up this theory. The hunt continues for the truth.

LarrBeard
03-24-2021, 12:10 PM
After further review, I'm not so sure that MarkJs friend's example isn't exactly like the V-35. The military dash panel and the fuel tank opening in the body do not jive with the examples seen for the V-35. I think that he might very well be correct that the example shown is a pre-production M38. Of course, the is no information to back up this theory. The hunt continues for the truth.

Rules of Jeep

1. What you see is what you have. Believe nothing you have been told or anything you read until you verify it for yourself.

2. Never say "Willys-Overland would have never _________________________ ."

It's a "Tigger" - it's the only one!

I saw an article today about a contractor in Texas that built a UH-1 helicopter from spare parts - he will probably never get an Airworthiness Certificate for it as anything but Experimental; so this could be a "One Piece At A Time" Johnny Cash Jeep-thang.

5JeepsAz
03-24-2021, 03:08 PM
So how do we get to a definitive answer? Will it be classified as a this or that, or does it stay a mystery? Does the owner decide? Interesting!

bmorgil
03-25-2021, 07:43 AM
It's a "Tigger" - it's the only one!

Larry you are such a "Grampa" at heart! A Tigger.

Mark J
03-25-2021, 10:31 AM
Thanks everyone, again! I'm attempting to get the owner of this "Tigger" to join the forum and reply to all the great people here, helping me with a jeep that's not even mine!
I've got enough issues with my jeep (the bucking bronco) and still waiting on the word for my "new old" leaf springs ETA.

Oh back to the "Tigger." Does anyone have information regarding that name "Jiffy" being stamped on the inside of the body?

gmwillys
03-25-2021, 11:10 AM
The only reference that I found to Jiffy was a demonstration crew that could drive in a jeep, tear it down, build it back, and drive off within 5 minutes;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIISWw5QIBM

Mark J
03-25-2021, 11:43 AM
The only reference that I found to Jiffy was a demonstration crew that could drive in a jeep, tear it down, build it back, and drive off within 5 minutes;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIISWw5QIBM

That's hilarious! Hmmm... I suspect that jeep was prepped just a little before the dismantle and "re-mantle." :D

gmwillys
03-25-2021, 01:50 PM
Just a little bit. Lynch pins and the like holding it together.

5JeepsAz
03-25-2021, 02:35 PM
Holy bananas! A take em down put em back together example?!?! Helluva find and a great Tigger Jeep!