1958 CJ-5 going on a 1972 Chassis

[TJones]

Hang on I am sure this will be an Adventure, I might be in over my head but we will see.
I may need A LOt of help from you guys on this one!!!!

[bmorgil]

Lets go TJ! I am coming over to watch this one grow.

[TJones]

Well I couldn't stand not having anything to do after retiring so I started another Jeep Project.
I sold the "Orange Crush" to a guy and he wanted me to built a Jeep for his Son out of a Jeep he bought (local to me) from a college roommate, and that is where my story/project begins.
He bought a really Nice 58 CJ-5 with a stock F-134, T-90 and a Dana 18 transfer case that his roommates Dad restored and he wanted something with a bigger engine, power steering and better brakes on it to getter to WO better .
So my buddy and I put our thinking caps on (Which at our ages is kinda hard to do) and came up with a BrainStorm of an idea.
I knew a guy that had a 1972 CJ-5 (the first year at that time that AMC came out with the AMC 304 V8), we knew the tub was the same as the 58 tub, but the fenders and hood were 5"s longer. So that is where it all came to life.
Here are some pictures of the 58 and the 72 "Donor" I'll call it, The Owner wanted to use the 58 body bc it was almost new, so we are in the midst of putting it on the 72 chassis.
I will update you all as progress continues, I am sure that we will run into hiccups along the way but if this Forum can chime in at anytime like you all did with my Project we will getter done!!!!

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[TJones]

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[LarrBeard]

Aw man - The Orange Crush was awesome but you are on to bigger and better toys now. Working that 5-inch stretch in is going to be awesome - keep us up to date with lots of pictures of how you do it.

[bmorgil]

Well on your way TJ. That thing will be rolling soon!

[TJones]

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The whole inside of the 58 tub was covered with carpet and once we pulled the carpet we found much more that needed taken out and fixed to our "OCD or ADD" liking :):):)

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[TJones]

And here is where are as of last week, I ended up getting RSV giving it to the Bride then getting it back from the Bride and finally going to the doctors on Friday and testing Positive for RSV and the Flu :(:(:( So needless to say it has been at a standstill until next week..............HOPEFULLY:confused:

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[bmorgil]

You are moving along nicely on that thing TJ! Take care of those lungs man, ya need em.

[LarrBeard]

Well, you've been there, done that, got scars to prove it on a lot of the common tasks between the two Jeeps. Hopefully you won't have the adventure with this engine as you did the Orange Crusher...

[LarrBeard]

"...our "OCD or ADD" liking .."

From a distance OCD/ADD/ADDHD can't be told from genius.

[TJones]

Well, you've been there, done that, got scars to prove it on a lot of the common tasks between the two Jeeps. Hopefully you won't have the adventure with this engine as you did the Orange Crusher...

Actually Larrbeard we did a compression check on the motor and each cylinder had 147-150 lbs of compression, and the leak down test was between 3 & 4% on each hole which surprised us both, after looking the motor was evidently rebuilt in 2021 according to a tag we found on a valve cover :cool::cool:

[56willys]

Looking good there JT! Will be a fun project for sure. And should make for a sweet driver jeep. That 304 will be nice! A thread was started awhile ago about the 58. He was looking for engine swap ideas. And hadn't posted in awhile. I was wondering what had happened. By the looks of things you do good work. This will be fun to follow along.

[gmwillys]

TJ does great work. I had the chance to run Orange Crush around Bmorgil's side forty. It was way more healthy than one would expect in a short wheelbase Jeep. It was just the other side of wicked. The 304 will be ready to go with those numbers.

[TJones]

Coming along Slowly this week with the frigid cold blowing in, but progress.

Finally go the lift kit from "Jack It" and installed over the weekend.


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[bmorgil]

Looks like a its well on its way now TJ. She will be running soon. Looking awesome man!

[gmwillys]

You're as fast as some of the car build shows, but much better quality. Very well done TJ!

[TJones]

Well we sprayed the underside of the tub yesterday with gray raptor and letting it cure now then flipping it over to get ready to setter on the chassis

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[bmorgil]

Coming along nice TJ! That thing will be road worthy very soon.

[56willys]

Looking great! You are making progress fast.

[gmwillys]

Looking great!

[TJones]

Finally got the 58 tub set on the 72 chassis yesterday with a little help from the lift!!!


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[test1328]

Hey TJ, what color did you paint that tub? It looks very similar to the original color of my 61 CJ5 and I've been trying to identify it. Thanks!

[bmorgil]

Looks real clean TJ! That thing will be under power very soon at the rate yo are going!

[TJones]

Test1328 it was already painted and he didn’t want us to paint it, but I just dropped the original fender off today so the body shop could get the paint matched up to paint the 72 grille, 2-new fenders and new hood for the 72 CJ5.
This is kind of a miss-match of parts and years to make one:cool:
As soon as I get the paint code from the paint shop I will getter to ya!!!
I guess he has a camera that takes a picture and tells what colors and how much to blend to match it:rolleyes:

[gmwillys]

The paint match cameras work really well. I had to have the right front fender replaced on my Monte Carlo that was painted silver metallic. They put the scanner on the fender and it matched perfectly. The scanner makes concessions for paint fade, because the original factory paint code was too dark.

[TJones]

I should’ve mentioned this Jeep is supposed to resemble the OSU color scheme when we are finished with it, so we left the body gray and the full cage (when completely built), the wheels and some other pieces/parts are all going to get powder coated the scarlet red color.

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[gmwillys]

Could be worse, could be Alabama colors?

[bmorgil]

Aw come on gm.... Coach Saban is gone now! I love the colors, Go Bucks!

[Jafopt]

Aw come on gm.... Coach Saban is gone now! I love the colors, Go Bucks!

I agree wholeheartedly!

[gmwillys]

Yep, the reign is over. Time for the Bucks to have a chance.

[TJones]

Making a little ahead way this week, got the top frame all mounted up, tilt steering column installed, motor set in with headers bolted on and the clutch/brake pedals mounted up with the clutch linkage situated where it is supposed to be verses where it was in the 58 CJ.


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[TJones]

Now it's time to take the windshield and plate we made for the dash to mount the tilt column and get them powder coated to match the windshield frame hinges.

Mounting the rear bumper up to hold the spare tire is going to be nothing short of an "Engineering Nightmare" only because it was designed to fit a 86 YJ..............

Full Roll cage fab starts next week mounted to the frame in 4 spots.


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[bmorgil]

Top notch there TJ! Looking very good. That is going to be one nice setup that's for sure.

[TJones]

Well we got the rear bumper/ spare tire carrier mounted this past week along with most of the cage bent and tacked together, sending the cage and windshield off to get powder coated later this week.

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[test1328]

Very nice work! I'd be interested to see more on how and where you're attaching the cage to the frame. Also, more details such as the size of tube and how you're routing the cage within the body would be nice to see. It's a little hard to see much detail with the small pictures.

[TJones]

I’ll get some close up pictures tomorrow of the 4 places of where and how we are connecting it to the frame.
Had to do a little engineering to make sure we can remove it once it’s all built so we can remove it to getter powder coated and if someone wants to take it out later.
The tubing we’re using is 1.75 x .095 seamless.

[gmwillys]

Sweet cage TJ. Looking great!

[TJones]

Here are some pictures of how we fastened it to the frame;
Looking from the driver's side to the passenger side, the front we out another plate on the firewall side to bolt up to the inside and cut a piece of tubing to weld to the body mount on the frame and the back (behind the seats) we put a piece of 2" x 4" x 3/8"T square stock across the top of the frame rails (welded to the frame) from side to side and and bolted our plates to it.

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And we did the same on the driers side, Kind of hard to explain without actually seeing it in person but you can't say I didn't try to:rolleyes:

[bmorgil]

Nice tubing work there TJ! That thing is coming along great.

[51 CJ3]

This looks a lot better than the holes through the floor my CJ5 had.

[test1328]

Thanks for the pictures, TJ. Looks like excellent work!

A few other questions, though. I assume that you don't have to worry about the under seat gas tank if you're using a 72 chassis? Seems like the tubing would interfere with that if that was the case. And, likewise, I assume you're mounting your seats to the tubing frame and that is the purpose for that framework?

[TJones]

Yes test exactly.
The tanks on all the 72’s are mounted between the frame rails in the rear and the seats do mount to the frame we built and we had to lower it from the original seat height due to the owner is tall so we tried to get it lower so his noodle didn’t hit the cage and could easily see through the windshield.

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[gmwillys]

Looking great TJ! The seat tubes and cage are as professional as they come. The seat position looks perfect for his height.

[TJones]

Here’s were we mounted the cage in the front to the frame.

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[bmorgil]

That is a nice setup for sure TJ. The frame to roll bar connection is critical to a proper functioning roll cage. A nice 5 point harness hooked to the bars and that cage, should do a heck of a job of protecting the driver as much as possible.

[gmwillys]

Looks good to me. Good Job TJ.

[TJones]

Made some headway this week with the decent weather yesterday and the day before, got the AC unit half installed, Rhino coated the inside of the tub, picked up the wheels at the powder coater and dropped the cage and windshield frame off to get done.

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[bmorgil]

Looking sweet TJ! Moving along nicely. So the Air Conditioning is going to be hooked to the helmets?

[TJones]

I don’t think they are racing the Baja 500 bmorgil so there’s no need to hook the AC to their helmets :cool::cool:

[gmwillys]

Oh man T.J. She is looking wonderful! A/C in a CJ, why not? Our YJ doesn't even have air.

[TJones]

Made some more headway this past week on the 58-72 CJ, got the cage back from the Powder Coater, exhaust completed and starting on the wiring nightmare!!!!

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[bmorgil]

That is a premium build there TJ! Very clean. That cage turned out great.

[LarrBeard]

Did you do a ceramic coat on the exhaust? I wish I had done that on the '48 - cast iron rusts - yuckk.

[TJones]

Thanks Bob!!!

[TJones]

No we didn't Larry, they didn't have any gray ceramic so we just painted it with High Heat paint.

[56willys]

Great work TJ, that Jeep is looking awesome! Air conditioning in a CJ is quite the luxury. Very nice work on that cage!

[gmwillys]

Looking great TJ. Absolute craftsman!

[TJones]

Thank You Guys!!!!

[TJones]

Well getting closer to firing the Ole Girl up next week!!!!
Got the wiring almost completed , AC unit mounted and new skins picked up after the wheels got powder coated.

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[gmwillys]

Those are some good looking kicks!

[56willys]

It's always exciting when you near the first startup!! It should go about anywhere with those tires!

[bmorgil]

Oh man TJ...... almost there. Nice wheels man!

[TJones]

Got the "Light Bar" :cool::cool: all set back in and bolted down yesterday!!!

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[bmorgil]

Light bar, Hahaha! That should definitely hold the lights. Officially when you hooked it to the frame, it became a "Roll Bar".

[gmwillys]

I really like the "light bar mount" design and execution. Well done TJ.

[56willys]

Looking good! That will be the world's strongest light bar mount!!!

[TJones]

Got the seats all mounted with belts this week along with a storage box in the rear !!!

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[bmorgil]

I love the look of that thing TJ! Gonna be hard to part with that one.

[gmwillys]

Looks outstanding TJ. I can't wait to see what your next project is going to be after this ones done..

[TJones]

I may take up knitting or crochet on the next Project :confused:
This one bout wore me out!!!

[bmorgil]

I may take up knitting or crochet on the next Project :confused:
This one bout wore me out!!!

I don't think you have a neutral gear TJ! I foresee more projects in your future. Perhaps a Willys Gasser with a few thousand horsepower?

[gmwillys]

Yes! I vote for the Gasser. Now that's a vision I can't picture. TJ knitting? Nope.

[bmorgil]

Here it is... I am sure I saw TJ laying under this with a camera. I wonder what hes up to next.... https://www.autoevolution.com/news/jeep-rat-rod-looks-like-a-rogue-soldier-has-hemi-power-140771.html#

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[56willys]

A gasser would be really cool, say a little 671 blower atop a 392 hemi with a Lenco. I had a crazy idea to get a fiberglass cj5 body and build a little drift jeep. With either a turbo rotary or an LS. Put some wide body fenders and some aero. Might be kinda cool!

Looking great TJ!

[gmwillys]

That there is a good use for the Jeep Commando, although they are starting to gain a slight bit of traction in the collector world... as long as it's a Hurst Commando.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/magazine-features/this-four-wheelin-1971-jeepster-hurst-commando-has-been-in-my-family-since-new/

[TJones]

That is a Great Article gm, after reading through it I dug a little deeper into other articles about Jeeps and found this Gem that Bob may be able to relate too or may even know about!!!!

https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/j10-jeep-prototype-extended-cab-truck-restoration/

[bmorgil]

Wow that is a great story. I did see the "unicorn" at the Jeep fest. One of a kind is for sure! I remember during that time my Dad bringing home various prototypes of the Jeeps. He was always testing out new power train ideas. I am sure there are more examples of factory one of a kind Jeeps out there.

[gmwillys]

I read that story through a Facebook post a while back. That would be a cool thing to have in the inventory for sure.

In thumbing around the interwebs, I came across this road race CJ for inspiration, although I question the effectiveness of the air to air intercooler;

https://appleton.craigslist.org/bar/d/brillion-47-willys-jeep-wrangler-9000/7733103606.html

[bmorgil]

Definitely got the "approach angle" on the intercooler wrong! Hahaha, maybe the idea was it will be running with the front wheels way off the ground most of the time.

[TJones]

For Sure, I’m not a big turbo guy but isn’t the air to air have a purpose to cool and not just look pretty to operate correctly????
I stick with the 6 and 871’s to make power!!!!

[56willys]

That extended cab gladiator is super neat. So glad it was saved. Many moons ago when I was a very young whipper snapper, the local vintage truck dealer had a crew cab J truck. That thing was really cool, being full four door. But it really needed a 6bt cummins....

That little willys hot rod is pretty cool, but the intercooler is not really doing anything. I can see if they were keeping the grill visible. But their sacrificing some horsepower, that's for sure.

[gmwillys]

For every good Jeep rat rod, there are an equal or greater amount of awful ones.

[TJones]

Here we go guys!!!

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[bmorgil]

And there it is!!!! If you build it TJ, they will come.

I m still laughing at those "Rods" gm!

[TJones]

I’m not real sure but you 3 guys have Created a Monster on this site!!
Look at the people visiting and watching!!!!

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[bmorgil]

I saw that yesterday TJ. I am not sure what happens there. Every now and then its off the map. It happens every time someone brings up the G.O.A.T. story.

[gmwillys]

It's all about the GOAT!

[56willys]

Now yesterday there was almost 4,000 people online. You folks have the knowledge, It attracts those of us that don't. I think alot of people (myself included) have gotten lots of well needed help from you folks. Thank you!

All it takes is one dead goat in the way of a heater...

[gmwillys]

4,000 seems like a bit much for views, being that we are kind of hidden away at the bottom of KW's website.... But we do like it that way. The Facebook forums are mostly wastelands of keyboard commandos berating other people's rigs. It takes all kinds to make this world go round, and if you are happy with your rig, then we are happy for you.

[TJones]

4,000 seems like a bit much for views, being that we are kind of hidden away at the bottom of KW's website.... But we do like it that way. The Facebook forums are mostly wastelands of keyboard commandos berating other people's rigs. It takes all kinds to make this world go round, and if you are happy with your rig, then we are happy for you.

Damn gm you are right up there with Larry as far as putting words together to get your point across:cool:
It’s almost like poetry!!

[bmorgil]

I agree TJ, well said gm.

[56willys]

Damn gm you are right up there with Larry as far as putting words together to get your point across:cool:
It’s almost like poetry!!

Yea, if Gm and Larry keep it up they'll have the youngster breaking out Merriam Websters Big Book of Words to understand their posts! Jokes aside, keep it up guys, a little willys poetry keeps life exciting.

[gmwillys]

Senior Chief has taught me everything I know. There is a "Blazing Saddles" Slim Pickens quote that comes to mind, but I'll keep that one floating around in my head.

[TJones]

Well FINALLY got the ole girl fired up yesterday after a 2.5 week struggle/set back of trying to get not 1 but 3 TAIWAN made and CHINA assembled tilt steering columns to work correctly until we got pissed off and bought a USA made one!!!!
Purred like a kitten, drove like a Go Kart with 200 HP.
Just needs a little carb adjustment and a check on why it's not charging, simple fix then get the AC charged up and drive it around to get some miles on it!

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[bmorgil]

Its alive! Nice looking ride there TJ. I love the air conditioning! Great color combination. That baby will get some looks.

[gmwillys]

Looking great TJ. You have outdone yourself!

The quality of parts being dumped into this country is appalling.

[TJones]

Thanks Guys!!!

It is frustrating, I guess it all boils down to you get what you pay for!!!
The part that really made us mad was 2 of them were from Summit and they weren’t anything like they were advertised on the website……..

[bmorgil]

It used to be the places like Summit looked at the products they sourced form China. It seems now they pass them right to us to check out, review and send back.

[LarrBeard]

First, The Orange Crush and now The Grey Ghost. You have a knack for putting together pretty vehicles. Double WOW!! Attaboy - we can say that here - not "Attaperson"!

Now we need to see a pretty lady in it to top it off.

Just be careful with that 200 HP Go-Kart.... Don't let the Grandkids do donuts in the front yard.

[56willys]

Just be careful with that 200 HP Go-Kart.... Don't let the Grandkids do donuts in the front yard. Yeah, but who will the neighbors talk about 20 years from now, the guy who kept his lawn nice or the guy who ripped sick donuts in a 70 year old jeep!! And it's got a roll cage and safety harnesses, what could go wrong.

Man TJ, that thing is shaping up quick! It's looking great! I'll bet it will run down the road very nicely.

[bmorgil]

56' sounds like he knows exactly how to impress the neighbors! That's why some build em' 56, to make some noise!

[TJones]

No donuts in the yard guys around here!!!!
The neighbors only get impressed when we fire up the shifter kart and buzz up and down the street and burn donuts on the asphalt :cool:
Well maybe not impressed as much as pissed to the point they had the city put up a 25 MPH sign up:D

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[TJones]

A bit baffled
Took the girl in to have the front end checked out (castor,camber and toe in) and everything checked out pretty good.
It just likes to take off on its own “darting left then right”, it will wear you out trying to keep it on the road at 35-40 mph.
The guy from Akron Truck Frame told me to put the stock tires back on it and try it to eliminate the big tires and wheels first.
Then he said I should get HD shackles front and rear bc it’s flexing the shackles when it steers, I’ll try that after the tire swap.
It’s really acting like it needs more positive castor put in it:confused:
Kinda Baffled, the guy at ATF said the castor is kinda like a grocery cart affect and the front wheels need to follow along.

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[bmorgil]

Pretty easy to add some positive caster TJ. Stick some wedges in the spring pads and see if that doesn't help. Watch the operating angles at the u-joint as you rotate the axle. Your guys explanation of castor is spot on.

You need about 5 deg of positive castor on that thing. Too much is hard to have on a short wheelbase. I have seen and used 6 in some some fast cars. Too much caster and you will know you have gone too far. The steering wheel will be harder to turn at speed and the steering wheel wont return to center very well. What numbers did he read for caster, camber and toe.

[TJones]

I’ll get the numbers this morning as I’m going to pick it up shortly!!!:rolleyes:

[TJones]

Okay I got the skivvy on everything!!!
The castor is 3 degrees, he’s used to semis not short WB vehicles!!
Camber is set at 1 degree and toe in is at 1/16-1/8”
So I need to get a 3-4 degree wedge and jamb it in the axle perch between the axle and spring I guess.
Is that correct Bob?

[bmorgil]

Yes. The camber cant be changed but the caster can. Tilt the top back 2 to 3 deg more and see if it likes that. That's all the camber you want and the toe is good. Are the king pin bearings set too tight?

Something like these:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-770025?srsltid=AfmBOoqQ6pAsz0gMCBYr34siERxoD11_c8L YpH-IfbCSG3F3Szv54yHdJIs

[TJones]

Yes. The camber cant be changed but the caster can. Tilt the top back 2 to 3 deg more and see if it likes that. That's all the camber you want and the toe is good. Are the king pin bearings set too tight?

Something like these:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-770025?srsltid=AfmBOoqQ6pAsz0gMCBYr34siERxoD11_c8L YpH-IfbCSG3F3Szv54yHdJIs

This is the new style front axle (Dana 30) with the open knuckles Bob, I can change the camber with offset ball joints but I think it’s good at 1 degree camber.
I will run to Summit and get the wedges and throw them in to see if she likes that adjustment better.

[TJones]

I threw the stock tires on it and no difference whatsoever!!!
Back to the 2-4 degree wedges I suppose.
I think tomorrow I’ll go get a digital angle finder and check the bottom ball joint to see what angle it’s actually at degree wise!!!
Then go from there and shoot for 5 degrees positive caster.

[bmorgil]

Ahh its a 30. With real wide tires and any offset at all on the rims, getting the camber down real low is helpful. Like .25 to .5 is where I like the wide tires, with 1/16 of toe if any. As the tires and offsets increase, the tire stands more on its edges from camber. Toe is a big drag with wide tires. Toe is a bit misunderstood. Under load as you push a car down the road, even if you set it at 0 static it wont be 0 when its moving. It will toe out or toe in as the push loads the components forcing them outward or inward, and when the vehicle moves through jounce and rebound. I give them very little toe.

That is not why it is darting right and left however. I think some more caster will help. A V8 CJ has a lot of weight over the front axle with very little on the rear, which isn't far from the front. Great for turning but, tracking straight isn't their strong point. On the 30 make sure you don't have a ball joint hanging up. I did have some warranty with ball joints on those getting badly worn (or frozen and alleged defective) and locking up under load. Especially if it they have been sitting. This will definitely cause it to dart left and right. Make sure the ball joints are smooth and not catching or ratcheting when they move. 3 deg of camber is a standard pass car setting. It should work OK., maybe wander a bit more than you are used to when used in a CJ. I think 5 works better. You have a high bar Tim, is it a lot different than the Orange Crush?

[TJones]

Thanks Doctor Dana!!!
It’s close to the OC but the offset is the same, tire size is bigger the OC had 32”s x 10.00 x15 on 8” rims and this has 32’s x 10:50 x 15 on 10” rims?
This has 2.5” lift verses 2” on the OC.
This has a V8 verses V6 but the frame is 5.5” longer, and I do understand the weight to inch difference in length (Good Point!!)
Both have PS, but after the caster change I really need to check the ball joints for drag or hang up I guess!!!

[gmwillys]

Dr. Dana comes through again! Great information there guys!

[bmorgil]

Those ball joints can hide TJ. When they are real bad you can tell just by moving them. When they just start to go they get loose or "sticky" under load at loaded height. A tough thing to duplicate. If there are miles on them, I wouldn't hesitate to refresh that area anyway. Did your Alignment guy check the track on all 4 wheels? If it isn't tracking straight you will definitely fight that also. He should have a reading for the track if he did a 4 wheel check.

[TJones]

Bob he didn’t mention the tracking alignment but I Will call him on that on Monday.
I wonder myself about the rubber bushings in the spring shackles that may be giving me trouble as well or even the flex in the shackles themselves ?
Which makes me want to switch to solid brass bushings in the springs and shackles and maybe a piece of 1/4” plate welded between the 2 shackles to stiffen it all up?
What’s your thought on that??

[bmorgil]

If the components are in good shape they shouldn't be a problem. If they are worn that is a valid place to look however. That setup works fine on other vehicles. I think you are looking for something that is out of whack. The thrust from a tracking error or those d#$n ball joints. If you are using the factory spring locations and shackle setup that's pretty proven. If all looks good in the suspension components, I would experiment with some stronger caster settings. It sounds like you are fighting more than some mild wander here, if its really fighting you I am thinking it is something more obvious.

[TJones]

The shackles and bushings are all new and like you said it’s all been Proven to work.
There are just SO MANY variables that enter into this Very Complicated Formula and then you lift it, change tire size, lengthen the vehicle:cool:
I guess we just take it as it comes, change one thing at a time and I’ll start with adding more caster into it a little atta time!!!
I did read this morning that Dana Engineers added camber built into their axles from side to side for the pitch on roadways, now that is impressive to say the least, were you part of that Engineering Design Bob???
WOW that did amaze me!!!

[TJones]

Doctor Dana Comes through again!!!
I put 2* shims in today and with the big tires and wheels it’s about 70% better!!!
Monday I’ll get some 4* shims, longer center bolts to keep everything lined up, and some longer u-bolts and hopefully it’ll be right on track!!
No pun intended:):)
Thanks Dr Dana AGAIN !!!!!!
This things got me about wore (the ****) plum out:(:(

[gmwillys]

This is a prime example to why these car project shows on TV or You Tube do not show all the issues that they have with the builds. It's all fun and games until it comes to dialing everything in for perfect performance. TJ, you are supposed to be retired not tired.