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1st Time Jeep Owner
Attachment 9033I'm new to this forum, however always wanted a Jeep, finally found one. Ended up buying a 1965 CJ5 with hardtop. Needs lots of work, currently does not run. Seems to be very complete and original. Doing a little research and appears to be somewhat "collectable". It's 4 cylinder stick trans. It will be a spare time / winter project.
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It's Tuxedo Park. Attachment 9034
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Looks pretty good! I like the top. It looks like most of the parts are there, that is always what you look for in a project. As far as collectable, now a day's if it is old its gold!
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Around here just about every Jeep is collectable to some extent - even if for donor parts.
The top is a plus - it probably kept a lot more water out of the transmission than an open tub would have collected.
The F-134 engine room isn't to the full anti-smog setup that the very late F-134's had hung on them, so it will be a little easier to work around.
Go look in the Tech Library on the Forum and we have some best practices we've discovered about trying to get a sleeping engine to wake back up. A little care can keep an engine that was in pretty good shape from becoming a major project.....
Keep us posted on how things go - and we always have free advice that will be worth all you pay for it!
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I bought it from the second owner, he bought it in 1970. Last time it was on the road was 1985. It seems very complete with all of the Tuxedo Park options, bench seat, three on the tree, chrome bumper. Heck it even has the original briggs & stratton ignition key. He told me he quit driving it when one of the brake lines rusted off. Never took the time to fix it.
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Dude:
You've got just about all of the pieces there - that's a lot more than most of us started out with!
But, I wonder - in the second picture - how fast was that bird going when he left those tail feathers on the microphone clip?
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It's a guess at this point however assume it was a turkey feather the old guy found while hunting. He stuck it in there and after so many years baking in the sun it bleached out. Attachment 9039Attachment 9040
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As you have already seen it doesn't take much to keep us entertained....
By the way - the old key for the truck (my '48) is a Briggs and Stratton key. I know it was not the original key from '48. I think that was a standard blank for the lock cylinder that Kaiser/Jeep/W-O used, not a reflection on the size of the engine..
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Hey Cat, nice jeep. I'm sure you'll have a blast getting her up and running again.
I just woke my CJ5 up from slumber since 88. Fortunately for me it wasn't very difficult to get her started. The engine needed work, but at least I got it going. You might check out my thread in the restoration projects forum. Lots of good advice there for you on how and what to do to get it going again.
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Welcome Catlewis!
Great find for your first Jeep. The Tuxedos we're the top of the mark in those days.
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Welcome Cat.
Like all the other guys stated you have a Great start and it definitely has the majority of all the pieces parts to get her up and running in pretty short order!!
Keep us posted for sure.
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Thanks for all of the "welcome wishes & encouragement"! Right now have another project occupying garage space, hopefully have it completed by early spring. Really anxious to dive into this old rig. Preliminary plans include, new carb, fuel pump, & plastic tank to avoid rust. Also planning to replace distributor with electronic ignition,+ new plugs and wires. Vacuum wipers will get converted to electric. Going to maintain stock suspension and existing drivetrain including the three speed on column. Radiator and heater core will get dropped off at local shop and replace all of the hoses, and of course an oil change. That should get the engine running. Beyond that will be the braking system which we already know has issues. Thought about converting to front disc however considering the engine was rated @ 75hp, and the Jeep only weighs around 2200lbs, the drum brake system is probably fine. Want to check out a prebent stainless brake line kit to avoid future rust issues if they're available. Then replace shoes, wheel cylinders & flexible lines. Considering my geographic location (central PA), the body seems remarkably good. Yes there is rust however nothing like it could be for a 57 year old vehicle that likely spent it's entire life outside. All five original wheels are there however no hubcaps. All of the tires are toast, so they will need to be replaced. Planning to put antique license on it.
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Great project ideas Cat. I like the Pertronix electronic conversions and have it in mine. The ability to quickly change it back to points in case of an "EMP" is nice. There is nothing wrong with converting the drums to disc up front, especially on a "driver". Though the little Jeep is light. The small diameter early drums do leave a lot to be desired. It takes both feet to stop quickly. A few have converted them on this site and I don't think anyone regrets it. I have the original drum set up and it is adequate for a resto that runs in parades. I would not feel real comfortable in traffic as panic stops require some serious attention. With a 50 or so mph top speed, it works OK. There are stainless lines available from a few places and I did post a while ago somewhere about a couple sources. The historical plate is a right of passage and I took advantage of it on all my classics.
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Also have a 74 F250 Highboy and 87 F350, both with antique plates. Here's a pic of the 87, can't find one handy of the 74. Antique plates are great, no annual state inspection, and no annual license fee. The Jeep will be a nice addition, anxious to get working.
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Sounds like you have a plan, Cat!
I have a Ford pickup of similar vintage. Mines a 1990 F250 that I bought new and have used on a lot of hunting trips. Here's a recent picture of it transporting my F4-134 engine to the rebuilder last month!
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Cool Truck!
Now I have a Jeep question. Did they ever offer a factory installed fire extinguisher? This Jeep has one, if it's original equipment I'll keep it, if not likely remove. Here's a couple pics. It's located above the passenger's feet.
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I doubt it was an OEM item, but since you already have a bracket, getting a freshly charged one would not be a bad idea. Pistols, parachutes and fire extinguishers have a lot in common - you may never need one but when you do ... you really need one in a hurry!
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Another question, curious what this is. Lever / knob to the left of heater controls? Almost looks like an old trailer brake controller. Is it a factory piece of an add-on?
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One way to find out what is factory and what is not, is the owners manual. The glove box manual as us old timers called it. It will include the operation and location of the factory equipment as well as the optional equipment that may have been installed. That doesn't look factory. What is it hooked up to? Does it have a cable hooked to it heading down to the transmission area? I am going to take a wild a** guess and say I am thinking if it has a cable hooked to it, it was for a PTO or maybe even an overdrive. Someone here might recognize the setup.
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No manual in the glove box in fact that's one of the things missing. I think mice destroyed it. It had / still has some huge mouse nests in it. Guessing most of the padding from the seats is gone. The tool box under passenger seat was level full of mouse nest. Also pretty sure there's another one in the headliner because it sags down in the middle right over driver seat. I'll have to take a good look under the dash with a flash light to investigate what is attached to that lever. It would be kinda cool if there was an overdrive trans!
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I tend to agree with bmorgil that it looks like the PTO control. I'm not familiar at all with the Tuxedo Park rigs, but my CJ has the PTO control on the center floor just behind the transmission gear shift and just in front of the seats. I could see them moving a control lever up on the dash for more convenience, but who knows?
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I think this is an original key. It says Briggs & Stratton on the other side.
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You might find there isn’t any insulation on the wires with the mice in it that bad. I don’t know what’s in the insulation they like so much but mice are pretty effective at stripping wire.
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There is seldom a glove box manual. You will usually have to purchase a reprint. KW has them.
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Checking the points and decided to install new points and condenser. It appears the only way to remove the points is to remove the entire plate inside distributor. Attachment 9335
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That’s a nice looking distributor. Points are a bit worn. Mine was rusty and packed full of sand. I couldn’t believe it was still making spark.
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I've drained the oil and replaced the filter. Disconnected the fuel line, hooked up a fresh battery and started checking "what works and what doesn't". Amazing almost everything works, headlights (high and low beam), all of the parking lights, dash lights, even the fuel gauge. Remember this thing has been sitting since 1985! The engine turns over easy however even with a couple shots of carb cleaner directly into the carb, not even an attempt to start. Also noticed while turning engine over the vacuum wipers both work. Anyway, came to the conclusion "no spark" which lead to checking the points. Points appear very worn so I figured to simply replace both the points and condenser. Never worked on one of these engines, does it require removing the points plate to replace points?
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No, just remove the screws and remove the points and condenser.
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I took out the screw near distributor center shaft as well as the on that's used for adjusting point gap however Screw "A" attaches the wires cannot be accessed without removing the plate. It appears screws marked "B" need to be removed to take the points plate out and allow access to remove screw "A". Attachment 9336
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Yes I should have paid more attention to your question. You are correct, remove the breaker plate assembly first and then the points and condenser. Take out the two screws that hold the plate in, and the wire. Rotate the plate to unlock it and lift it out.
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Installed new points, condenser, & rotor cap. Disconnected the fuel line from tank, sprayed a little carb cleaner into the carb, pulled the choke shut and it fired up like it was running yesterday instead of 1985! Next I connected a piece of fuel line to the pump and then to a filter and then into a 5-gallon gas can. Started turning engine and immediately noticed the pump pulled fuel from the can and thru the filter however nothing in carb. Disassembled the carb and cleaned with carb cleaner, reassembled and it fired right up and idled. Engine sounds great, no odd noises only thing I've found so far that doesn't work is the alternator. She doesn't charge. Still a long way before it's drivable however it's certainly encouraging. FYI this is the tag from distributor which what I used to buy proper points and condenser. Attachment 9348
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Nice! Sounds like a perfect day working on the Willys. Hang on to that tag. You can buy a new rivit online.
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It's actually attached to the distributor by one of the screws that also attaches clips to hold distributor cap down. I noticed another tag hanging from the firewall behind the engine. Appears to be hanging from a wire. I'll have to take a photo and share. This Jeep is incredibly "intact" and unmolested considering the age.
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Also wanted to report back about the mystery "lever" under dash. Upon further investigation this is an old trailer brake controller.
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Here's the tag hanging behind engine on firewall. It was attached with just a wire.
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Pulled radiator and heater core for re-conditioning. Both leak.
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Man that's a rare tag! Those things are usually long gone. Keep us posted on how you do finding a shop to recondition those pieces. It seems to be a difficult trade to find in a lot of places nowadays.
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I believe both the radiator and heater core are original parts. The radiator actually has a hard line for the overflow. Most have a barbed fitting and a rubber hose. Yep, I found a place here in central PA to re-condition both, in fact I'm dropping them off today after work.
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I did break two of the clips used to thread bolts attaching radiator to body. Noticed they are available but expensive!
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