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    I agree with Bmorgil, remove the front clip with the fenders. That will give you the best way to see exactly what you are doing. Save the standing on your head for other endeavors. Also, I agree with dropping the transmission and transfer case with the cross member as an assembly. The skid plate will give you options to secure the assembly to a transmission jack to prevent you getting hurt. (I'm a big fan of using short ratchet straps rather than the chains and hooks supplied with most transmission jacks.

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    Sounds good, I just looked things over more tonight and it looks like the trans will come out really easily. I don't have a trans. jack, but I think a floor jack will work just fine if secured correctly to the skidplate. And I'll have a second set of hands to help balence it out.

    Another question; what do you recommend i hook onto to lift the engine out? Is it safe to take a couple head bolts out and put hooks onder them with a strap front to back? It doesn't look like there's much to attach to on these f-134s.

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    I would look into one of these F134 lifting hard points. There is two positions made into it for lifting just the engine or the whole assembly with transmission and transfer case. It is the safest way to go about it in my opinion. If that doesn't pan out, yes you can remove two head bolts and use those points for your lift. I'm not a huge fan of breaking torque on head fasteners because it may cause you heart burn later on for head gasket leaks, but to install the lifting point listed bellow, you would have to break torque there too. In my experience, I look for accessory mount bosses that are at least 3/8" to thread in a grade 8 bolt to attach my lifting chains to. I like using a chain because I can adjust the hoist by using the chain link that best balances the engine... (or if I need a certain angle to clear obstructions like a core support on a traditional engine bay, I have that ability).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmwillys View Post
    ...... In my experience, I look for accessory mount bosses that are at least 3/8" to thread in a grade 8 bolt to attach my lifting chains to. I like using a chain because I can adjust the hoist by using the chain link that best balances the engine... (or if I need a certain angle to clear obstructions like a core support on a traditional engine bay, I have that ability).

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    Great experience you shared gm. Definitely the way to go about it. Find some threaded holes and use what you can find to hold the chains off of everything. When engines leave the shop for install, they go over a test stand and whenever, possible, a dyno. They are assembled and ready to run. Most of the time the exhaust is not on however. On peeJ I cant remember exactly how I hung it but it was timed wired and ready to fire. If you gaze at it long enough, some metal and some chain and even a piece of pipe, will provide inspiration.
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    I have a four foot section of 1/2" log chain with a large hook on one end. I have found that that chain works best for most applications when used with grade 8 threaded rod for tapping into accessory holes. Between the chain and various sizes of ratchet straps, this set up works for everything from engine pulls to picking up bodies.
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    Thank you guys for the tips, the lifting hook gm mentioned looks like it would work great. For removal it would be fine, but I wouldn't want to leave it on permanently and I don't want to break torque after reassembly. I've looked it over and am thinking I can attach to the front motor plate, and bolt through some bell housing bolts after the trans is out. To get chains on the engine


    I got busy this last couple days (it finally got above 10 degrees) so I got to work. Fenders/grill are removed, and I got all the accessories and wires off the engine. Aside from the trans and motor mounts there's nothing connected to the engine! I have distributor, oil canister, fan, distributor, etc. all off. I just need to disconnect the clutch linkage then the heavy pieces can come out. I got an engine gasket set, trans gaskets and bearings, and a bunch of other parts on the way. It should get exciting pretty soon!! And probably most importantly I finally ordered a service manual, something I put off for far too long.

    Upon removing the starter I noticed I may be changing the flywheel ring gear. It looks like the teeth are half worn off. I'll look it over better once it's out, but it doesn't look good. I'll call some local machine shops to see about having it resurfaced. Then I'll have to learn how to change ring gears! Finding out I need to repair more than I thought is kind of disappointing, but at the same time learning a new skill is always exciting!! At this point, the more things I find wrong, the more new skills I will learn!

    P.S. Got the 2025 KW catalog a couple days ago. Flossy got a few good pictures in there!

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    Now you're working it 56! You are going to love being able to get to everything. The ring gear is "sweated" to the flywheel. It takes a little practice and a lot of heat. I would have the machine shop install the new gear when they resurface the flywheel. This is something a good shop has done many times.

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    Well, I looked at my spare flywheel, and it's worn but not nearly as bad. Maybe I'll have that one resurfaced and not mess with the ring gear. Just stuff to think about, I still have a ways to go before i need it.

    Over the weekend we got the drivetrain removed. I don't have a transmission jack, and rather then trying to balence it on a floor jack. I stuck the engine hoist through the door. Ran straps under the trans, pulled the bolts out and just lowered it to the floor. Kinda unorthodox, but it actually worked really well.

    As that was happening I supported the back of the engine with a strap and I put a jack under it just for a 2nd safety.

    Then I strapped to the front motor plate on either side and ran a strap under the back between the bellhousing and oil pan. And it lifted right out!

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    Looking great '56! As far as removing the transmission/transfer case, there is almost always more than one way to go about it. You did well in using what you have on hand for tooling, and made it work in your advantage. Well done.

    If you do not want to replace the ring gear completely, you can flip it over and use the non-worn side. It's an old farmer fix, but it gets all the use out of the ring gear.

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    Last night I started on the engine. Everything is completely covered in a thick coating of oil and grime. So I got a putty knife and went to town scraping all that off. I got it pretty clean for a start. I wanted to get as much junk off before I open it up, don't want all the dirt going in the engine. I pulled the flywheel off, and the back of the block was full of mouse nest: maybe that was what always smelt bad when it got hot!

    Any tips will be appreciated for this. I tried taking the crank pulley off. The nut came of easily, but the pulley is stuck on the crank. It's solid inside so I can't use a normal balencer removal tool. My only other puller is pictured, it's just not big enough to fit, and I'm worried it will bend the edge of the pulley. The timing cover is too tight against it to hammer it off. I sprayed it with penetrating oil last night so maybe it will come loose after soaking a bit. But I'm not really sure how to tackle this... Thanks guys!!

    EDIT: I got the pulley off after some heat and a little perseverance with the puller getting it to fit.
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