I have split the gearbox and the transfer box as it would not select any gears. Upon inspection the clustershaft had lost a lot of teeth.
After ordering all the gears and shafts i need i an just getting the rebuild compleated and i dont appear to be able to get the snap ring to snap on the grove on the shaft - hopefully the pictures explane what i mean. it appears to be a fraction out!
I do note that the old synchro ring appears to be a little "crushed" when compaired to the new one.
I dont want to force anything unless i should.... but what am i doing wrong, what have i missed!!
The sychro ring is not seating all the way down on second gear. That is going to cause the synchronizer hub to set a little away from the gear. The hub should be right against the gear. It looks like the hub might be backwards.
When you install the snap ring, use something to hold the shaft solidly vertical. Let gravity hold it all down till you get the snap ring on. You should not have to force it. The snap ring groove should be clear.
Something is amiss there Steve. What components are new? The collar that slides on has a "long side". The long end goes on to the front. In the attached photo of a T90, the trans is shifted into 3rd. You can see how the collar, sychro ring and second gear should be fitting together. It is similar on the T84.
I’m kinda thinking along with bmorgil it looks like the hub may be in backwards or maybe one of the springs that hold the sliders in is giving you fits, it’s not much from going together tight.
All the components are new, and all brought from just one supplier here in the UK.
It all feels to tight if that makes sence, i had a quick look at the synchro rings last night and the news ones appear wider than the ones that came out. I will measure them later and see if i am right.
The synchronizer wears on the inside of the brass ring. As it wears it sets deeper and deeper into the gear. Eventually it sets too deep to function properly or it becomes glazed and galled. I would try using the old collar first. Assemble the main shaft without the synchro assembly, just the collar and second gear. If the snap ring clears with just the collar, it is the synchro ring holding it off for some reason. Either the ring is machined improperly or it is hanging up on the locks as TJ suggested. If the old synchro rings look good, you could give them a try. They need to look perfect on the inside. Little to no wear on the bronze surface. If you can still see and feel the "Lube Ridges" or grooves on the inside and it is clean and free of galling, it is good.
If the snap ring wont go on with the old collar and second gear only, the main shaft and/or second gear is improperly machined. Check to be sure the bushing is all the way in second gear and not holding the collar or the gear up.
In your second photo, the sliding clutch looks to be starting to engage the synchro ring in second gear. At the top snap ring end, there are a lot of splines showing on the collar. The sliding clutch appears to be shifted slightly into second. Be very sure something isn't backwards.
firstly thanks for all the replies, i do realy appreciate them all.
I am still a little puzzeled as to what is going on, please see the two photos i have attached showing the synchro on the mainshaft both ways up without any of the collars on and it still wont fit!
Spoke the to the dealer today i got all the parts from and he was just as puzzeled as me!! it looks like i will be taking a trip up to see him with the parts! unless of course you guys and gals spot something that i have done wrong or missed!!
Steve did you try the old parts? If the old second gear and shift collar wont work on the new main shaft, the main shaft is bad etc.. I think you can narrow it down with the old parts. One of the three pieces must be machined improperly or possibly the stack up of all three parts is incorrect.